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 Post subject: NYT - Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:14 pm 
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A controversial article suggesting that science has proof that plants can display properites akin to animals... worthy of discussion and debate.

source: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/science/22angi.html?_r=3&ref=science


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 Post subject: Re: NYT - Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
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nice try by the author, but i still want my stir fried brussels sprouts :D


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 Post subject: Re: NYT - Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
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Great article! Next time if vegetarians get slamed by vegans, we can slam them back liao haha, opps just kidding :p


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 Post subject: Re: NYT - Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
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Interesting article but most of the traits shown by the plants are evolutionary. I can expend all my imagination trying to humanise plants but it just doesn't make sense.

Plants steer towards sunlight and avoid dark places. Most children are afraid of the dark as well. If I were to say that plants are capable of fear just like children based on this observation alone, everyone will think I am crazy. If a scientist says something similar but less ridiculous, more ambiguous and it is unverifiable, people will be divided in whether to believe him or not.

The day I can truly feel empathy for plants, I will switch to eating fruits totally. Right now, the plants are not sending me any signals despite my best efforts to communicate with them. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: NYT - Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
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you are in self denial drown , Go eat fruits now!:p

I think being vegetarian is the best I can do already, I can't even give up eggs and dairy despite trying to do so for awhile.. I can onli say sorry to the poor plants :(

Erm is killing plants more cruel than taking eggs and dairy? Cos we are directly taking away a life!??


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IMHO, I think the problem is that at the end of the day non-vegetarians forget that human beings are part of the food chain and yes that means we do have to consume something to stay alive. So, I choose to eat plants instead of meat to stay alive. What is the problem with that? The article forgets to mention that every living thing responds to changes, respires, reproduces and dies. So plants and animals go through the same process but does not mean plant = animal.

So the argument will be that if we are against animal cruelty than plants should be out of bounds but really I don't have a problem with people eating meat. Eat meat/food for sustenance not for indulgence. That is the problem now. Meat consumption is a sign of luxury and privilege, and hence it leads to factory farming, force feeding of geese for foie gras, and other sorts of animal cruelty and environmental degradation just to quell human gluttony.

I don't really care for this article. There will be naysayers and journalists just interested to stir up controversy to improve their profile

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 Post subject: Re: NYT - Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
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I thought as much. Similar to what Drown says, the article is stretching the research findings. It doesn't distinguish between animated description and observable fact. Ask an ardent stamp collector about stamps and it is likely he will use references that describe the stamps as being alive in some way. Similarly, Physicists will describe molecules and particles much like we describe people and animals - but that doesn't mean they're alive 'just like animals'.

I would say the imaginative descriptions by the researchers interviewed are subjective and cannot really be likened to animals per se. The argument is overly simplistic - in fact, going by its argument, a zoo and a botanical garden would be the same.

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The title of this article "Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too" doesn't make much sense either. Why is there a need to apologise? Or is the author trying to be sarcastic? All living things like to live and they strive for survival, that is the very basic principle of evolution. Maybe she is sorry that she only found out about this fact recently.

She mentioned that her "dietary decisions are arbitrary and inconsistent". How accurate can a person's work be if that person confesses that her decision on a daily habit is careless and whimsical? :roll:

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Very good criticism there... yes, it does seem as though she was trying to poke fun at the vegan philosophy (i.e. not causing any sentient being to suffer) with her choice of title. But I am not sure how seriously she wanted her article to be taken - was she just reporting or furthering an agenda? I think it was the former case.

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you are in self denial drown , Go eat fruits now!:p

I think being vegetarian is the best I can do already, I can't even give up eggs and dairy despite trying to do so for awhile.. I can onli say sorry to the poor plants :(

Erm is killing plants more cruel than taking eggs and dairy? Cos we are directly taking away a life!??

If I deny that I am in self denial, I am still in self denial. So whether I deny or admit, I am still in self denial. :o

Cruelty is subjective. If taking away a life directly is considered more cruel, think of this scenario. Do you consider a butcher who kills 50 animals but consumes 3 animals daily more cruel than a food reviewer who kills zero animals but consumes 20 animals daily? Likewise, do you consider a fisherman who feeds on a single tuna for 1 week less cruel than his fellow fisherman who feeds on 100 ikan bilis for each meal?

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Ganga wrote:
Very good criticism there... yes, it does seem as though she was trying to poke fun at the vegan philosophy (i.e. not causing any sentient being to suffer) with her choice of title. But I am not sure how seriously she wanted her article to be taken - was she just reporting or furthering an agenda? I think it was the former case.

Besides doing her job, I believe there are other reasons behind this choice of article as well. I personally think she is writing this to make herself feel better. She doesn't eat pork because of guilt and it is easier to feel self justified if what she penned gains some feedback that she wants to hear.

I don't think anyone has to explain and defend their choice of diet. Somehow, people like to do it when facing vegetarians.

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 Post subject: Re: NYT - Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
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Yeah.

I'm such a horrible person, I kill brussel sprouts. Sniffle.

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